All orut! Delete! Remove: Do not need to delete anything. Indeed, listen. Must. And learn! Learn from each other's mistakes. And not on their !!!!! ps Maybe some of you in the future will pilot a passenger plane. I would prefer (the passenger sitting in the plane) so that for the steering wheel sat this man, whose enough courage to listen to this record (otodvinuv moral pritsipy), and make corresponding conclusions from it and not myagkodushny polumuzhichok, afraid to listen to this record (oops, I'm afraid of what my ears hear), and then committed the exact same error, because that he simply refused to learn from others'. Well, not a man, a rag. You can not - do not listen. A record that should be. To nepovadno it. For all those who in future are likely to die. Or do not die. Worth it for? I think worth it. The evaluation did not ask. It is understandable why.
− tserg,
17 years ago,
#
If someone becomes a pilot, and who do not will. And if the grandmother ... I do not want to listen to it and that I rag??? You heard the cry of the wounded or dying people, you podskalzyvalsya on the pavement filled with blood, did you see the bones sticking out of bodies and eyes of those whose are the bones??? Rag ... Who here rag still need to know. Flagellant? Love Sado-Mazo??? Please! But do not write "Listen to be sure." All the different mentality and react to it differently and do not need to build up cowboy cool. Who's there in the recording taught? The last words of pilots overwrite in memory all that has been said before. And learning is not necessary for this. So how much has already been shown to tears from the wreckage of the relatives of the victims that's what we must think! The very horses dvinesh-still, but the pain will remain with relatives for life. (This is not a person to whom a generalization), and this should be fundamental. Do dalnoboyschikov there is a phrase: "Remember, you are waiting at home, and remembering it, rather than stories about the accident, they try to be careful on roads.
− Houston,
17 years ago,
#
Agree on your point of view! This is necessary to listen and be sure to listen! Especially so in the future who will pilot a passenger plane! When I studied at a driving school, we showed horrific images of road crashes. I remember the words of instructor: "Look, do not turn away! This can happen to anyone! God forbid, that you would ever get in this situation: All that you see comes from the neglect it, and pointed us in the book entitled "Traffic Rules" Land down dead! PS only, let us refrain from incompetent, simerovskih, speech!
− Antares,
17 years ago,
#
You can also upload the video as a man of the train moved, rastaskivaya guts to tens of meters, and then write-SEE EVERYTHING. MUST SEE AND LEARN RIGHT WAY TRANSITION. On the road you have nasmotrishsya is not such that you have shown in a driving school. That I promise. But this does not mean that we should all show this. When those shots that you have to erase the memory and you will fly as you comfortably and anywhere. The experience of these records do not accumulate. It comes with age. Then you shall not long be a professional. In place of shyness will self, which is also a cause of accidents. Pilots in flight schools to show this one, and drivers for driving too, but the pancake is spread everywhere where you can ... Izvinite.PS A dudnduk if your instructor is forced to watch. It could just tell, as in a collision with either a man detached from the fastened inwards, as attached at a speed of 80km per hour and breaks a rib cage helm, that a small child standing on the front seat of car in a collision becomes a projectile weighing 1 600 kg and his body can go for tens of meters further along that if there are no head restraints in the rear shock people break your neck ... etc. here is what to tell / not show R°R±S‹ that. Moreover, all this has to be combatants in the view.
− Houston,
17 years ago,
#
Answer Houston. Sorry, but that does not agree with you. Your comparison invalid. If it was an entry from the passenger compartment, the vykladyvanie it would be immoral. But this record of negotiations people from actions (or inaction) which depended the lives of hundreds of other people. This can and should be put out. In order to learn. "You said" once in memory erase those images. " But much better than they are in memory of those responsible at least for a while, what will not. Another point. I work at the railway. Every day we read the telegrams planerke for industrial injuries. And with a detailed analysis of cases, including deaths. Moreover, under the painting. Moreover, the compulsory transfer of lists found in vyshestoyashie inspection unit. Masochist, as you expressed, it is not observed. So if even someone vyaknet that type of "what the dead bone peremyvat it - is unethical, then rest assured - this kriknuvshy will be the first candidate for the unscheduled re-examination of safety. Why this is done, I hope it is understandable? Ps I am also not very pleasant to look at the picture phone fitters, technicians and electricians, hit by rolling stock. However, I am obliged to do so. That they may know and remember!
− tserg,
17 years ago,
#
I do not know shorter. I will not argue more. Simply, I personally do not want to once again see and hear that something like this (nasmotrelsya already), and cloth of all without discrimination on the matter did not mention it. And the fact that you show such material "for official use" is one thing and hear how people are dying, quite another. Who will be the pilot he is sure to be shown in the specialized agencies and razberut details of crew errors. But why all this? To have to find this entry, he found a long time ...
− Houston,
17 years ago,
#
-1
Houston, if you listen to and films about the Great Patriotic War, too, should be prohibited, what ish udumali making such horrors, and remind each time as it is hard .. "17 Moments of Spring", "go into battle alone the elderly" are prohibited, bullied seen-those murder last!
− Carim,
17 years ago,
#
Guys Guys, STOP STOP STOP, now generally and I say, who is laid out. Houston, you said that what lay Where Dad, you know I'm not laid out, which was promoted, I believe that 95% of people here either pilots or those who want to be. I have not laid out this entry on the type of entertainment portal, Fun / planes / black box 612. I overlaid this with the aim that the people listened and looked, at least I did so. Houston, I prikrasno you understand that you probably work in DPS, ambulance or MES course if it is work, and I know how hard it is. And Irkutsk 2001 Czarna box, I also listened to. The first thing I do is analyze each step, though, and Irkutsk, and this case in general is very similar ... I have for example fly to deltaplanes, and watched every movie about the crash, saw the terrible photos, that really is not worth here to spread, and it may not kakpli otbilo my desire to fly, but you admit Chesney, chutle not for each takeoff or chutli not prikazhdom moment when I think whether to make the turn, but is it worth it to fly low over the river, and so, I remember those images, and I think it helped me, and pah pah, yet nothing nebilo. Yes, and I have not laid out how people in the turbine sucks (by the way can there it is), this material is directly related to aviation, and there should be, but listen not to listen, so let them choose one
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
+1
Only now do not have to talk up the commander. Whole guilty. Flying is a bold, Turks diarrhea, the second stebalsya. Only the Turks live flies. And he would kill the whole plane. Math peremat, the entire flight, all the goats and pridurki, he's one eagle. We can not of course true, but no other words.
− Vit_An,
17 years ago,
#
Sorry if offended anyone, but I got the impression that the GA learns a drunkards. Just been reading in various forums about studying in the GA, the solid pyanki in aviator: (Sorry if anyone offended, I repeat that this is only an impression.
− AFL336,
16 years ago,
#
Yes, is unlikely, and my honey bib-Mama Do not Cry, and athletes boomed, in short, regular students. And when we finished university, as a matter of calmed down. While those whose work is related to risk, or increased liability consumption of alcohol above. I for example, after a heavy duty, allow myself to 100 grams of ice Viscara
− Surger,
16 years ago,
#
After listening to this record for two days went like a sack pribity. Especially dobila phrase at the end of "Do not kill." How much time has elapsed from the day of the tragedy in mind vseravno it does not fit. How ridiculous crash ...
− Vlad Zaitsev,
17 years ago,
#
Yes .... of course it is very pechalno.Ekipazh well done, despite the fact that the cabin is going haos.Narod and aircraft nose or tail fell?
− Crow,
17 years ago,
#
Pomoemu it is not no tail nose fell to the belly of the vertical velocity ofigennoy
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
In the last seconds Creek ... Blin, as people feel sorry for ...
− LOKOPhil,
17 years ago,
#
Once again, I listened carefully to fit, reading decoding http://hectop.livejournal.com/543327.html and download the official conclusion of the Makah http://depositfiles.com/files/1ryb63qto stop 3.14det about heroism kvsa! Until recently, he struggled to understand ... less over the Turks had to pin up. However, mourn the passengers, interns, and the stewardess bortache brutally murdered because of this one if unprofessional and pray that such incidents do not happen! Incidentally, it was very unpleasant to read foul of decryption ... Maybe it's time to formally introduce math in rhetoric?
− CHUPAKABRA,
17 years ago,
#
By cyclegramm shows that his podkinulo from 11600 to 12700 in 10 seconds. I present what has been an overload ...
− erimei,
17 years ago,
#
Korogodin - well done, remained commander until the end. Tu-154 is not so easy down in a tailspin.
− mikuz,
17 years ago,
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You watched the video? Three times AUASP R·R°S?RєR°R»RyoRІR°R» ...
− mikuz,
17 years ago,
#
Video is istsenirovka show.
− Hon2103,
17 years ago,
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I agree with Hon2103, and as far as I know the Tu-154 from a flat spin is not shown!
− EugenePro,
17 years ago,
#
potylasya simitirovat the situation in Flight simulator, and set the height of 4000, Zadran nose, the speed dropped to zero, the plane started to twist, and really difficult to remove, the first time did not work, but when I gave the helm himself, and gathered speed, was able to plavnenko put directly at the ground truth "from a height of 3400 meters RіRґRµS‚Rѕ. can of course this is Flight simuryatore perhaps all? Who will prompt?
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
As far as I know, the dynamics of PT-shki does not allow strike aircraft in a flat spin. Perhaps I am wrong. But in the usual - yes. I have worked. But again - problems with the output from it, I did not experience. Was able to delete your nose and just a two-three managed to stop the cycle of rotation and plavnenko go in level flight, the truth with great speed privysheniem instrument (there under 800 where it was). I believe in life much more difficult.
− scare1984,
17 years ago,
#
Zabey! In Sime not realized such subtleties, and spin, as a phenomenon, too!
− >LeadeR<,
17 years ago,
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In fact it was just a BUG they think they have the speed of large 1000 and actually speed was 0! Therefore, Corkscrew
− KIVLAR,
17 years ago,
#
Che wrote himself understood?
− aiRoNe,
17 years ago,
#
In the recording was heard that at the time of Stalling, FAC said, "assume" and perhaps it was a mistake commander ...
− Shurik KR,
17 years ago,
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The most heinous, that it continues to recur. Not rated.
− PavelS,
17 years ago,
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Fully support. This is not a topic for public discussion. Download, listen, draw conclusions for themselves. There is no need to put their views to the public debate
− Sirmens,
17 years ago,
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So on the Khoi lyad to lay out the general opinion??? And RІRѕR±S‰Rµ where to look R°RґRјRyoRЅS‹!
− >LeadeR<,
17 years ago,
#
Without assessment and comment ...
− alexeyKJC,
17 years ago,
#
Dejavu ... All of this has already been discussed and to spread and the decoding of the negotiations and the negotiations, cyclegramm information teh.komissi more than a year ago now for example there http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=34922&hl =% CF% F0% EE% EA% EE% EC% EC% E5% ED% F2% E8% F0% F3% E9% F2% E5 +% CF% EE% E6% E0% EB% F3% E9% F1% F2% E0!
− Aaaaa,
17 years ago,
#
Score will not put! Listen to the morning to remember as sihpor goose on the skin, the entire day under vpichetleniyami! Eternal Memory! The captain remained until recently the commander! As stated: "Hope dies upon impact on the land" was particularly shocked by the sentence at the end of one of the crew of "Do not kill!
− vasiliy,
17 years ago,
#
Veteran, for the delusion that you write? Who made "primarily responsible"? And do not Karagod and Korogodin.
− mikuz,
17 years ago,
#
The conversation was not about! People died! Died experienced aviators! It should be understood that the emergency situation such as this, not heads of RLE and the PNP, as the usual start up, and fortunately, not often over a lifetime! Understand it is necessary and that all aviators and duties shall be as Done and prepared for situations like this! All laws are written in blood Aviation comrades! Remember this and keep their names - is our duty! The bright memory of him! The sky is down! Ottsenivat nothing here!
− Rein,
17 years ago,
#
is not shook, and the pump does not budu.vpechatlitelny people, it's not a little narrower. after I viewed the recording in touch about the catastrophe near Irkutsk Vlad Avia in 2001, the month in Sime does not fly. keep people who have something to permanently delete this entry.
− ty134,
17 years ago,
#
Yeah! Vpechetlitelny you ours. What do you skazhezh about the attack on the day of birth medvedev. Nozzles on the fist will namatyvyat???
− kalfa,
17 years ago,
#
A month? So intense is better for the symposium did not sit down. As well as computer and Internet SЋR·R°S‚SЊ not, TV is not included, out of the house did not go. And everything will be OK!
− scare1984,
17 years ago,
#
It does not matter whether I have sstalkivayus murders, I have a profession. I shokorovalo that people felt before his death, felt that IS scary. not intnrnet and that such
− ty134,
17 years ago,
#
1
Fed Up! Especially comment for "Tin. Thanks for the layout of" I killed.
− Эрник,
17 years ago,
#
Pi * dets .... here you sick or something half???? How do people say "Thank you for the display, degrading or ugly creatures remember that flight??? Why do you then build up all this??? It hurts to anyone directly affected by this disaster, you have all the same there may be a maximum of "awful" for her, and you do not realize how hard those who have lost there loved ones, and if a little bit and is then go to church, go to the place of the fall and put the flowers ... that lazy? can not? write a comment so early, but the absolutely idiotic character. as if the one who laid out or put the "5" they killed all on board.
− Carim,
17 years ago,
#
Carim - full support! Zaparili have morals. VV Ershov still the case a long time well comment. After this record once again convinced of the truth of his words.
− Mihail Stepanov,
17 years ago,
#
Yes but! Here is the cry at the end: "Do not ubivayyte: Do not kill!" Hiking, flight engineer shouted, FAC, and a second, hoping that will take a spin. But, alas, the men were unable to do so. Zhutkovato.
− PilotBoy,
17 years ago,
#
Friends! And above all, Michel, who is deeply commiserative. Many of us think about a similar, but hesitate to say, because of the past ", or good or anything." But there is not the case! Consider, in whose hands we trust the lives of our loved ones, children, their lives!? Is this the professionals because the professionals who are called that in the face of extreme danger "and kept quiet in order to maximize the consistency and correctness in the implementation knowledge and skills "...!? How many extra obscene words in the unit relevant information!? How much extra emotions, leading to panic, inherent and understandable to outsiders, but not for professionals! And this is where the road every second - everybody knows! Course you need to listen and rasprostronyat all who can! Who knows, maybe this is the record or even a child's fear uberegut, some of persuasion lies managers (to climb aboard the old aeroflotovskoy scrap-heap), saving your business, for which we simply "Paksi!
− vomit avia,
17 years ago,
#
I'm afraid you aeroflotovskoy with the scrap-heap pogoryachilis!
− EugenePro,
17 years ago,
#
5
Do not remove me 14 years, moved well of course the last sentence does not kill much hooked threat by which he took?
− CCCP-11156,
17 years ago,
#
There is a video made by the IAC, hike talks ottuda.Video is carved on Youtube.
− Shurik KR,
17 years ago,
#
I do not understand. So this video istsenerovka or not? If istsenerovka events, the fact that posted untrue. Or is it really a black box?
− Hon2103,
17 years ago,
#
Video IAC this mock, but this audio recording of THIS!
− CosmoLaika,
17 years ago,
#
about the video, I do not know. audio received via e-mail to Friend
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
Until recently, working ... Not fate ...
− KBC,
17 years ago,
#
And I would have children removed from the site. Intended to be more and null perepalok would be less. IMHO.
− scare1984,
17 years ago,
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Children are removed, ie set age limits? yes in my opinion is unrealistic. anyone can write in the registration, that he and 18, and 35 and as long as you want. And this record may affect not only children but also for a fairly mature people who have already seen a lot. And now the children mature quickly, pointless to deal with them, yet do not understand ...
− CosmoLaika,
17 years ago,
#
So what does ... Remember ...
− EugenePro,
17 years ago,
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And I love your avatar, noticed your comment, when put the song about 612ty
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
5
Found, overlaid, RњRћR›RћR”R•R¦! Yes, terribly! Yes, the pain! People do not have to hide their fears and banit those recalled. We so quickly and the Great Patriotic banned, because too scary!
− Якубов,
17 years ago,
#
1
My wife on the board of Mother's sister died. And they are with my wife and daughter of Dolny were to fly to the ground, I asked with my mother to go to term, she delivered the tickets, and flew Lera, we carried out and flew. Enough brattsy, chvatit alone etom.Ne have no one Banit just leave everything God judge them.
− Michel,
17 years ago,
#
What do you and the truth on this board hang on? No longer his. No team, no passenger-let the land they will rest in peace. What we have in society deviants in the country? How much has been written rewritten but still there who is still the subject who did not spend. Could act as karwer, overlaid people refer to data already available and all. There also have been put here that this is a matter more and more. Why is no one tryndit for two years on how the crew cope with any emergencies? All have only the negative. Want to go to work feeling sharp in the MES, STR, or drivers. There nasmotrites and naslushates. 2Mihail Stepanov, now I do not understand, you are assessed for that set??? Dilute??? It is not serious so files such estimates put.
− Houston,
17 years ago,
#
This certainly, no assessment can not be in this case. No comments, no ratings
− CosmoLaika,
17 years ago,
#
Guys, sorry for the fact that the claw of your record has been really heavy. Yes, I asked myself the question .. Why do I listen? but why listen to others? only a few hours already listened to more than 300 people. just quote your statement "What we have in society deviants in the country?" you are sure that in the country? may be in the world, you choose to search for files by number of downloads and see one of the first places your signal "SOS." from the same side of 9000 download, and why. Personally, for myself, I realized that listening to it in order, the fact that to understand and feel what is the crew of special sitatsii that are making in order to save the aircraft, so even RµSЃR»RyoR± the plane did not crash, but escaped for 20 meters above the ground, I would just listen to this record, and gave it to no less attention. Michel deepest sympathy, so DL this then I do not think that someone is a relative hears this, I apologize. about the brutality, and children, I promolchu, because on this subject can be a long talk, and it will be not about airplanes. And I have not time to climb into the sky, although at deltaplanes, but remember those words before take-off, may be useful before you fly there, where you can no longer fly ...
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
Here, I would because of the children away, that's for sure!
− Philipp,
17 years ago,
#
Well, how many years is for children 5-6 years and a lot of these? and small children, the EU is honest, there is little razberut .. Yes, and it is still better than for them to climb pornosaytam))
− kvstu134a,
17 years ago,
#
Blin, well, what children? .. Children have attended the 1000 "ayrdizaster" and (correctly, it was said) watching NGC and Discovery, is nothing new they do not know. Math is not heard, so ...
− AlexZander_D,
17 years ago,
#
zabante you have all the resources where it will lie down now. file in RyoRЅRµS‚ hit, now all the ends do not collect. and that there is such crash on the H-Geographic and Discovery are probably watching. sovdepovskie enough to take action. fact there is so to speak.
− Gelmut,
17 years ago,
#
could this board have already let alone ...
− qip88,
17 years ago,
#
OC .. tough course, as much heart jumped, but to do that overlaid. Who should be, download it, who do not need it, let it not touch. The name is specified record from the Black box. I think that people should at least guess that there is written, and think it is rock or not, even the same children. And even though children are used, pilots, pancake I'm sorry, but refrain from treating himself to understand that this can not be assessed, not an insult?
− kvstu134a,
17 years ago,
#
Yes I did not score at all interested, I'm just a laid out 3 files, two of which about 612.
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
Yes I did not score at all interested, I'm just a laid out 3 files, two of which about 612.
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
Why banit something? We have freedom of speech, press and conscience. Someone laid out, someone downloaded. Then everyone is for himself decides. IMHO
− AlexZander_D,
17 years ago,
#
Hey .... thanks for the support, but it spread, I thought the guys you want, then who is, and then bang ... the beginning of this ... as if everything had already heard 100 times ... very much felt when I heard .. .. could not put
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
Properly done, that laid out. Although it is too hard to listen to .. Think thrice before you swing.
− Pilot_154,
17 years ago,
#
And what became clear to you? Answer in PAWO Licko-hundred-S‡S‚RѕR¶Rµ still happen?
− Fireworker,
17 years ago,
#
5
Put such an assessment to dilute your own. By the way, banned for what? "Personally for me, after listening to this recording, all became clear. The horror.
− Mihail Stepanov,
17 years ago,
#
I believe that this record - not the reason that I'm really banit, in fact make the imagine that everyone who is associated with both aircraft failed to pass ... and everyone wants to know what was in the last minute? and Children? children? children are not only there are children there are and where we are not so frequently on such resources ... my mother dear
− tu-154b,
17 years ago,
#
All right! I also believe that no reason banit! In Kontakte.ru created a group on this board! This record is present, even the evidence clearly shows the devices and aircraft during Stalling! Link above!
− Karwer,
17 years ago,
#
Why did so to respond, the distinguished FroZt. The crash occurs and people die, it is a fact. But if you look on the other hand, the aircraft - the most secure transport! Millions of people are killed on roads, fires, natural disasters. We are all mortal.
− 0077616,
17 years ago,
#
-1
Tin, thanks for the layout
− Faust,
17 years ago,
#
-1
5
Pipets! Much creep in the skin.
− Hon2103,
17 years ago,
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