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Феликс,прошел год с момента создания ролика,но посмотрел его только сейчас.Посадка супер! Так и только так сажают Туполь в РЕАЛЕ профи,читать после таких посадок теоретические изыски в коментах читать довольно забавно...Молодчина!!!Одна маленькая ремарка по заходу - положение РВ на пределе широкого сектора - центровка реально передняя - в реале исправляем после входа в глиссаду изменением положения стабилизатора на большие углы до положения РВ в районе -2* - выравнивать намного легче и проще - меньший ход штурвала , но если ты глазом ловишь высоту и темп выравнивания ,то это лишь не более,чем пожелание.Молодчина!!! LETUNCHIK, 5 years ago, #
Владимир, Владимир...тебя уж нет с нами...((( Zorgair, 5 years ago, #
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Normal landing, alignment liked - nefig hang at 5 meters). I read komenty, you would have the authority of a half plus. Interestingly, and if I roll (the same) Uploaded by somebody else?) skyteacher, 7 years ago, #
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Well ... not "this-is" and with their plantings. Sometimes, lay out and get five. Only poslezhnee landing time is becoming more interesting and more interesting (in Khrenovoe thought). Gennn, 7 years ago, #
skyteacher, it is easy to check, I can send you, and you lay out. Or agree to, or remove the question. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
It was a joke. Especially burned already)) skyteacher, 7 years ago, #
Ie withdrawing the course skyteacher, 7 years ago, #
The joke of nature that if someone else lay out a the same (this-is) landing, the first of which starts a discussion, because it features a simulator that can be used izhitritsya get this effect (moving mode, etc.) . Gennn, 7 years ago, #
Forgot to add:) Gennn, 7 years ago, #
What you also suggest to check? FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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Thanks Felix, but putting some plantings on AVSIM for public discussion - a very thankless job. Although it was, would indeed be extremely interesting to read Comments on this landing a "newbie":) Rubilovo was, would have something ... :))) Gennn, 7 years ago, #
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Baba! sobgaz, 6 years ago, #
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Who gave Ershov, will understand, of whom about. Fazza, 6 years ago, #
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Beautiful landing. Felix, would you still circling recorded, with commentary. Link44, 7 years ago, #
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Видно, что человек - мастер своего дела. Благодаря таким интерес к ПТ Ту-154 не ослабевает! alexshag, 4 years ago, #
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Отлично сел ! Mercury55, 5 years ago, #
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Yes, beautiful, professionally, that is called the "textbook". but I have a question, which for me remains unanswered for quite some time. had heard that it is necessary to strive for stable flight of the CDF and to the height of the alignment, ie with minimal interference in management (this is understandable), and start leveling not before (!) 6 meters (that we sobsno and see on this record). But here's the thing ... how many actual landing of Tu-154 may look, is always about the same picture: the alignment starts from a height of 10-15 meters (the eye) and stretches, stretches up to the touch, ie, pilot-meeedlenno slowly lightly wheel reduces the rate of decrease, as if trying to maximize the smooth alignment. Here we see a flight to vertikalkoy 4 m / s to the height of the beginning of the alignment and a clear, dramatic take on. So what is it turns out: in a book written by one, but in fact worked out a different method of landing? aiRoNe, 7 years ago, #
Well, what can I say, the RLE is a point which provides for the reduction on non-standard glide path, with an angle of more than 3g. and vertical than 4 m / sec., where at an altitude of about 15 meters to clean up the vertical to 3 ... 4 m / s and beyond is already as usual, at 6 ... 4 meters MG, then the alignment and avoiding keeping the landing. ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
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It seems to me that this kind of "outrage" pilot. After all, if are ready to align with the textbook, there is a great price mistakes, because time for its correction is not so much. And when the machine is itself while you're in control not to interfere, you do not feel it. Moreover, that the alignment depends on the subjective factor - the fifth point of the pilot. And when you start this process at 10-15 meters, then the pilot has the opportunity to feel the aircraft and correct any minor errors. ekha, 7 years ago, #
To be honest, I myself was easier to start leveling just 10-15 meters. ekha, 7 years ago, #
But despite the ban RLE aging airplane, very often, we see how this thing standing up and going. For each pilot's Tu-154 matter of honor (the principle) to get used aircraft for Babaevskie that without conditioning is not easy to do, although RLE do it prohibits))) ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
ekha, totally agree, I too was much easier podnyrnut under the glide path and 10-15 meters to start slowly leveling, as a safer way ...))) ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
I totally agree, but grandfathers taught this way: If the band is short, this factor must be considered, but in general, after passing on the c-max class of the Yak-40 - Visual muzzle to butt, and over the butt - the wheel went over and sure when - a small gas and on planes of high-end value of the landing speed - look a little farther end, and also - most, but a little correction: "the plane on the plane did not have to." VLAZ, 7 years ago, #
Diving under the glide path leads to flight. In this case, the alignment almost RLE. RLE provides touch of 300-600 meters from the end with a dash of 5-10 km / h less than the speed flown end, with a vertical 0,5-1 m / sec. Here, the vertical is much smaller. Landing with promotion wheels. " bocman, 7 years ago, #
and when I asked someone to answer a thread? aiRoNe, 7 years ago, #
Among the Soviet and Russian pilots of the TU-154 was the practice before BRPM increasing angle of depression so that the end does not pass on 15 and 10m. Of course, it then requires a higher beginning cell alignments. This practice is rather harshly criticized for methodological materials on the prevention of gross landing and flight. Balanced same flight on final approach with a standard slope does not require the TU-154 higher than the start of leveling 6.4 meters. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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Guys, let's not forget that the RLE is just, the initial instruction - a recommendation, though often testers do sections of them - with their blood, then performance Pilots and General - usually all that "shit" was completing his signature, often clutching not only pen but also the heart, so let us be worthy of this great memory, and if something you think is wrong - from the height of experience and years of living, let's not forget how it was achieved and learn ... Because each FAC - his handwriting, and it does not matter, he is friends with RLE or not, it is important that he was friends with the safety of flight operations and people - it always applaud, applaud - it means alive. Not in vain was created Museum - Monino. I do not know how the whole country, but I'll be up to the last breath of pride, even if Russia had already by that time will not ... And the younger generation pilots want to say we had at one time was a compulsory subject - History of Aviation, I do not have it now or not, but my very first airplane was - IL-14 and MiG-15UTI, but I was only 12 years old and I was proud of its aircraft. I wish the same to you! Sincerely, Vladimir. VLAZ, 7 years ago, #
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Close mittens, ladies and gentlemen Simmer! Zorgair, 7 years ago, #
VLAZ, thank you for having shared their lyrical concerns. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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А может это реальный пилот видео посадки сделал? От того и красиво)) AceMan, 1 year ago, #
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Обычная, штатная посадка. Здорово! Ravnmm, 5 years ago, #
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Usually, anything that did not see what could udivit.Tehniche professionally. No more Bernstein, 6 years ago, #
* Technically Bernstein, 6 years ago, #
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Beautiful, nothing to say! A city. Vnokommentatorov and other less clever listen! Victorious, 6 years ago, #
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The grand landing! Example for podrozhaniya (for me). Thank you very much, Felix! Артемий154М, 6 years ago, #
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Five bet for landing in a simulator. Bad that you can not stand after the alignment plane. In the real atmosphere, if not withstand any sharp gust of wind and you do not have a band, but with a small gas at takeoff - engines out no less than nine seconds ... And in about the reverse, it switches off at a rate of not less than 140 km / h, otherwise the stones from the runway will be in the BHA, and this engine change ... And so - Super, keep it up. VLAZ, 7 years ago, #
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Dear VLAZ, in this clip before the Tu-154 and author of the video, a man well aware that car and, accordingly, its documentation (RLE) ... in which black and white is written :"... not allowing a touchdown to make Curing ...". And the author has not asked to evaluate his landing, but on the contrary, showed how it should be ideally ... A section called "training materials". Be careful! ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
Maximum reverse disable at a speed below 100 km / h. bocman, 7 years ago, #
This is when the stage reverse or reverse with a lattice cutoff. In general, under certain failure - you can "strangle" reversing to a complete stop. VLAZ, 7 years ago, #
VLAZ, you would like to say: "no more than 9 seconds? bocman, 7 years ago, #
NO, 6-9 seconds, and the old engine, the more time and do not forget one important factor that aircraft, unlike cars from the beginning to the end of life, no one toplivku not wash! A T-1, TS-1, each year the irresponsibility - leaves much to be desired, I am not talking about lifting standards in our country, because our aircraft are not provided for heating fuel, except that the TMP, but at this performance ... VLAZ, 7 years ago, #
VLAZ, TU-154 land without storage. It is specifically provided for in the RLE. A gust of wind, which you mentioned, do not blow away a plane that is heading and the aircraft that flies. The reverse was off smoothly at 140. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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Hmm! I would so put. Landing master. Very sorry for the media, Bano and TCAS. Polosaty, 7 years ago, #
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strange that no one paid that the author uses the rudder with self-centering on the axis DAR, 7 years ago, #
So why, drew! That's just what you wanted it to say ...??? ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
Obviously, DAR was misled by the indicator slide. But this is an artifact of play through FSrecorder. All turns, self-centering in the TU-154 carried out without the help of the impact on the pedal. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
yes, watch the ball here and there, wow, did not know what fs-recorder so buggy)) DAR, 7 years ago, #
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Solid "good", and the planting of the same kind of strong, lacks the most raisins, which would give a sense of reality atmospheric presence. And yet these landing gear from DC, who did some reason do not want to understand that the plane was already rolling on vzletke. As if some invisible torsion spring does not take the trolley or parallel to the axis of the band ... In short - hard "4" lis73, 7 years ago, #
Sorry, but you breccia nonsense. Here the meaning is not in the artistry and beauty of the video. Here the meaning is different. Look at what section roller is located. The hint is clear? ekha, 7 years ago, #
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Ay-ay-ay. Compelled to enlighten. Truck main landing gear are arranged so that the front pair of wheels is, before landing in front of and below the other pairs of wheels. So, always first touch carried the front pair of wheels and then all the rest. The speed with which the process described above, depends on the vertical speed before landing. So, what you saw in the ETM clip is a perfect landing, from a technical and visual standpoint. That is what is called in common "with the promotion of wheels" FireFly, 7 years ago, #
You look at Variometer the touch, but at aksilerometr, about a hard landing are you saying? Буторин, 7 years ago, #
Butorin - not "hard" and "hard" (and just in case "accelerometer"). This is our landing loose and every time a little differently obtained from what looks like a living, as apparently wanted to say Lis73. And it is an ideal touch and I am very suspect of the 10 landings from the author, 9 will look exactly the same and so is clear. Therefore, 4-ka in this section, for this "not live" landing, is not relevant. Minimum 5. Gennn, 7 years ago, #
No, well, not 9 / 10. I not a woman:) And this is not an end in itself. The main thing - out on the axis, the beginning of alignment, the pace of leveling. A tap at the same time can get and a little tougher. Or versa, the alignment can result in a meter from the runway and then have to fly extra 200 meters to dobiraniem themselves. But the principle must be exactly as on the video. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
2 ekha. What is the sense to apologize for what you're going to do? From feelings of self worth by somebody you suggestions, you forgot about Maltz elementary ethics of communication. Who are you to try here for someone to teach, in what sense and what is this section? Chill out and sign up for any thread of a circle of courtesy. Do not see the point on you "hint" something and something. lis73, 7 years ago, #
2 FireFly Do not take the author, please let the words and not very fair criticism so badly, and only at their own expense. I only expressed my personal opinion, not an imaginary podtyavkiaya authority or seasoned avsima. Personally, your landing seemed to me very simply that neither is normal. It also does not mean it's bad. As for Ah-ah-ah, then you have to just a little more detail to explain that remark (from the word - notice) refers not to what you put on the plane. I drew the attention of colleagues only mediocre implementation of the rocking bogie chassis, in contrast, by the way, Vitaminovskoy version of the same DC, where you will not see this effect, "jamming rocking" at the speeds at which the craft is very hard to have all the laws of physics to roll on the runway all its 12 main landing gear wheels. But not as like dalnoyboynyh trucks returning empty from the elevated rear axle :-) lis73, 7 years ago, #
2 lis73. I've not even know what to say. I wrote somewhere that I'm so important? Not at all ... I have a lot still do not know very much. And you afford to criticize the perfect fit on the textbook and lowered the estimate for that truck did not take the correct position. It is worth considering that their animation is by no means depends on the author's video, and please note that this instructional video (ie looking at the light truck, smoothing, and so must be last). So the logic in your words is not perfect. And by the way, good luck to you always like to fly. Personally, I have the alignment of 6 meters this will only fit in half the cases. So there is a lot to learn. ekha, 7 years ago, #
lis73, it was not "rocking jam." FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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More to TCAS, the ELN, the media and illumination devices for an hour and then turn everything exactly chiki all the bunches will be. )) Captain_Denis, 7 years ago, #
What a way to airport? Captain_Denis, 7 years ago, #
This LMML, Malta FireFly, 7 years ago, #
Thank you somehow have to try to fly there. Captain_Denis, 7 years ago, #
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Реверс включается при касании передней стойки шасси krepeerboss_737_, 10 months ago, #
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Красиво! AM154, 1 year ago, #
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Касание - СУПЕР! Пусть курсанты учатся!!!! RNRRNR, 4 years ago, #
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Красиво сел MATADOR, 5 years ago, #
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классно! мне бы так научица... Chekhomov, 5 years ago, #
для начала начните с русского языка Дорошко Сергей, 5 years ago, #
Это конечно очень хорошо если человек владеет любым языком на высоко уровне, но на выполнение посадки это никак не влияет. Поверьте моему опыту. isc, 5 years ago, #
серёжа, я уже писал, что слова мои во время печатания каверкаю не я, а программка одна, шедшая с моей версией винды. и атключить её не прецтавляица вазможным. как-та так... а пасатка действительно хараша; виликалепна... Chekhomov, 5 years ago, #
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Класс! штурмовик, 5 years ago, #
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Здорово, с раскруткой, а выравнивание какое! 5! Bubnov, 5 years ago, #
Автор видео- обратите внимание на след момент: передняя стойка еще не коснулась впп а реверс включили? Правильно ли выполнено включение реверса перед касанием передней стойки? От оценки файлу пока воздерживаюсь.. UR67393, 6 years ago, #
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Коль уж интересуетесь, то прежде чем задавать подобные вопросы, неплохо было бы почитать РЛЭ данного самолёта, в частности раздел 4.7.(6)., где чёрным по белому это определено:
"Включение реверса (МАКСИМАЛЬНЫЙ РЕВЕРС *) производить: в момент касания, если самолет движется параллельно оси ВПП;..."
ROCK_AVIA, 6 years ago, #
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:))) Вот именно, "в момент касания!", а не перед касанием! Коль уж беретесь отвечать Вам следует учесть разницу между словами перед и в момент. Читайте внимательнее вопрос и РЛЭ с- та. UR67393, 6 years ago, #
UR67393, всё правильно - в момент касания! А у Вас был вопрос про переднюю стойку...при чём здесь передняя опора шасси? Где Вы это вычитали? Момент касания - это момент, когда самолёт касается полосы основными стойками шасси, а не передней опорой! ROCK_AVIA, 6 years ago, #
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Внимательно читайте РЛЭ...вот если касание произошло под углом к оси ВПП, вот в таком случае необходимо выровнять самолёт по оси, опустить переднюю опору и убедившись что самолёт движется параллельно оси - включить реверс! Но такое касание(под углом к оси) - это непрофессионально, так как выровнять самолёт по оси (устранить угол сноса) следует ДО КАСАНИЯ! Это всё оговорено в РЛЭ. ROCK_AVIA, 6 years ago, #
4.7.1.Техника посадки
(6)Включение реверса (МАКСИМАЛЬНЫЙ РЕВЕРС *) производить:
- в момент касания, если самолет движется параллельно оси ВПП;
UR67393 господин ROCK_AVIA ответил на вопрос правильно! В "момент касание" речь идет о моменте касание основных стоек а не передней.
а то что Вы говорите о передней стойки это уже по РЛЭ след. пункт
- на пробеге, после устранения угла упреждения, вывода самолета на траекторию движения, параллельную оси ВПП и опускания самолета на переднюю опору, если самолет приземлился под углом к оси ВПП.
letun757, 6 years ago, #
:))) Если основные стойки коснулись впп а передняя еще не коснулась пов- сти впп то все равно можно включать максимальный реверс? Пусть даже с встречным ветром значение которого близко к предельному? И нет никакой разницы есть ли ветер и какая его величина?, главное что в рлэ разрешено включать макс реверс в момент касания основных опор? :))) UR67393, 6 years ago, #
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Мастер. oldzren, 6 years ago, #
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Textbook. Needless to add, by all said at the sky. The skill does not spend on drink. oldy, 6 years ago, #
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That's interesting. grayjp, 6 years ago, #
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With such a landing, to me personally, it is very difficult to resist the desire to pull the steering wheel, because it seems that now the front desk Plug in concrete) den4451, 6 years ago, #
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Denis, but you know, it's impossible. Even though it seems. TU-154 on the computational speed comes with a pitch of zero. Therefore, the smallest take on itself already gives a positive pitch. And to clear the landing is to do it in the right place with the right ampltudoy. She Sovmen small - see the pointer position of the elevator FireFly, 6 years ago, #
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Вот это глупости Феликс - если ты подходишь к полосе к точке начала выравнивания с повышенной вертикальной / НЕ ВАЖНО ПО КАКОЙ ПРИЧИНЕ/ выбирай штурвал хоть до пупа - эффект будет один - долбанешь с перегрузкой за две единицы - это Туполь,а не ан-24 LETUNCHIK, 5 years ago, #
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. Pilot!!!!, 6 years ago, #
This is not teaching material. Actually sabzh "How to produce a touchdown TU-154?" drkhair, 7 years ago, #
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. SBI71, 7 years ago, #
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no comments NStK, 7 years ago, #
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+ AndreY_UATG, 7 years ago, #
How interesting that a glide path with an unusual angle, 3.5 times vertikalka to call? Yet it would be interesting to know the weight and balancing characteristics of the board at landing. FlyStorm, 7 years ago, #
Mass close to the maximum landing - 80 m. Alignment average (guess 25-27% of the MAR). Precise alignment can only FireFly said. maxmik, 7 years ago, #
I do not agree, therefore, asked ... Massa, I think, 65-70 tons. As for centering ... the average adjuster, and PB decently discarded (think 21-23). There would be no combination of these data, I think at this speed vertikalochka at the touch did not have time to interference stops (although poddernul good, smooth but intensely). FlyStorm, 7 years ago, #
1. Why think 65-70? Can argue? I have their "80" can. ;) 2. Where you there, "21-23" saw? maxmik, 7 years ago, #
Alignment of 26%, weight 80, the balancing position PB 6 Radus. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
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Or "Kozlenev" had cost FS9, or as I thought he had earlier put the "small" ... And if you count the part aviadispetchera as before it was (and weight) then I give it an even 3 per flight! And suppose if I'm wrong throw the first stone at me! Джем, 7 years ago, #
I am not stone, and slippers. Touching on the sign of 600m. Kozlenev was not FireFly, 7 years ago, #
Can I find out what was the lateral component, given that you started to level far above the Sun, and so late and barely have time to gather a bunch of directors? Now we have eomu "teach"? Sorry for the criticism, but it is sometimes useful. Джем, 7 years ago, #
Can I find out what was the lateral component, given that you started to level far above the Sun, and so late and barely have time to gather a bunch of directors? Now we have eomu "teach"? Sorry for the criticism, but it is sometimes useful. Джем, 7 years ago, #
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Ye Gods! What a mad delusion next Nuba! Gladkov, 7 years ago, #
Oooo, this has me no one told ... Джем, 7 years ago, #
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Well, somebody must be the first. And after the words "began to align over the long-range" - so generally reluctant to comment on and something to prove. And yet, noob: about your comments is the word "Remove". If you can not guess yourself, then explain: you can remove one of two identical comments. Gladkov, 7 years ago, #
I'm concerned about the lateral component and a clutch! Sun planted in the summer and it is symmetric, so hard for me to somehow explain everything objectively, but if you have anything to do related to aviation, and not dully to the sim, please zas Th ... in their language. Omitted) Tenderly and gently, meow! Ponachitayutsya any nonsense, and then climb into a shield! A PTshnikam Respect for the car flew in the fun! This video watching with me ex. The commander of the Tu-154 "APL", 2 nd pilot Tu-154 "APL", 2 nd pilot Tu-154 "APL". The general answer, 5 for not knowing Sun, and five for trying. Джем, 7 years ago, #
Tell your superiors: To keep the manual in the center of the circle in a timely manner, deviations of controls. For large deviations KP avoid abrupt deviations of controls, in order to avoid "razbaltyvaniya" aircraft. DRA change within narrow limits trying to keep it constant. Approach from the entrance to the glide path to the CDF to perform at a constant speed. FireFly, 7 years ago, #
Jam, error, then when the list start? maxmik, 7 years ago, #
Summer practice treats the "other" ... And about the wind and the friction coefficient information as we understand is silent? No issues, good video for virtual pilots. Molodchagi! Джем, 7 years ago, #
Summer practice treats the "other" ... And about the wind and the friction coefficient information as we understand is silent? No issues, good video for virtual pilots. Molodchagi! Джем, 7 years ago, #
Jem, the wind was absent, friction coefficient - such a notion in the Sim in its pure form there. Dry asphalt FireFly, 7 years ago, #
Question withdrawn solution: Fly! My Comments will be no more. Priteranie may call for a bulging, with a low friction coefficient. Thank you all for shoy! Happiness! Джем, 7 years ago, #
Question withdrawn solution: Fly! My Comments will be no more. Priteranie may call for a bulging, with a low friction coefficient. Thank you all for shoy! Happiness! Джем, 7 years ago, #
Jim, flights and ointment may be all that you said. But in this case, the trip did not take place to be. Ointment, in principle, it was. Once such a thing in the next video tomorrow will show a shorter landing on the snowy runway with no ILS:) FireFly, 7 years ago, #
No slippers, and sneakers! Slippers, sneakers, sneaker Roma1364, 7 years ago, #
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Time "training materials" needed comments such as: do the following this one, are preparing for etomu.A so happened "to evaluate my flight." Experienced estimated inexperienced viewed as video.Kommentarii to the video turned out more "trainers". And for landing 5.U I did not work. koguch, 7 years ago, #
Unambiguous message: "How to carry out the landing of TU-154". Where is the "Rate my flight?. Gennn, 7 years ago, #
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I think that the video section of "Educational Materials" does not match. koguch, 7 years ago, #
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Alignment to 5 m, and so smoothly? 0_o I'll take over the 5th, probably in the set would have left just decided that would shmyaknu. And here it is so confident ... NoFL, 7 years ago, #
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Everything is perfect and beautiful! and still in this kind of flawless landing found that something was wrong ... your movie if and when I will make myself'll show ... . alex19620, 7 years ago, #
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No comments. :) bocman, 7 years ago, #
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KRASIVO izopark, 7 years ago, #
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Excellent! As they say in my life: "Kind of landings, the landing did not happen." Autoland rest. Жексон, 7 years ago, #
Yes, Felix landing - soft, beautiful. You look at times like sit, "Boeing" or "Airbus" - plop on the strip, so that as much rack subside and springy. And here - beautiful! .. I personally have nothing against the above-mentioned representatives of the foreign aviation industry did not have, but here they are ... plop Fazza, 6 years ago, #
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Brilliantly Gloster, 7 years ago, #
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Planting of course ideal. Weather conditions, too. But, as already upamyanalos below - TCAS, the ELN, the media and watch a little spoil the overall picture. Kohl already in the teaching materials show the dashboard at this stage of the flight, everything should fit! ROCK_AVIA, 7 years ago, #
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Admiring look and admire. Precisely because everything! Буторин, 7 years ago, #
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Although I am not a supporter of the sharp "whipping" a meter away from the runway, but your landing was a success why are five:) Flint540, 7 years ago, #
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+ STRELOK2014, 7 years ago, #
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Thank you! UEMJ, 7 years ago, #
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Another and could be expected from the author. ekha, 7 years ago, #
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Excellent! Zorgair, 7 years ago, #
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Only this section "Check out my land" should be! Zorgair, 7 years ago, #
There's nothing zatsenivat. I do not think that a writer for zatsenivaniya made movie. ekha, 7 years ago, #

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